Comments on: Question of the day… http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/ "and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:02:07 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Steve Grove http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-615 Steve Grove Fri, 23 May 2008 17:20:20 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-615 I believe that God set patterns from the beginning of the world that would set the stage for the incarnation and the New Covenant. The reason we can talk about the Word in John 1 and refer to Jesus, is because God directed and used the ancient Greeks, etc to set up a pattern that would make the New Coveneant familiar. Take a Bronze sculpture. The artist starts witgh some drawings. These are fashioned into a clay model, usually quite small. Then perhaps a small bronze model is cast. Then the final sculpture is then struck. Each of the previous forms were close and represented the final; but they were leading the artist in the final version, which is the one we see today. In this sense, the understanding Jesus had of, for example, hell or Gehenna, was influenced by the usage and history of the word itself, but that did not box Him in to His "interpretation" (or maybe better "fulfillment") of it. He was and did on many occasions go beyond the current sensibility and added something new - He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. So we look at it today, understanding its origins, etc, but see it through the filter of Christ's finished work on the cross. That makes a big difference. I believe that God set patterns from the beginning of the world that would set the stage for the incarnation and the New Covenant. The reason we can talk about the Word in John 1 and refer to Jesus, is because God directed and used the ancient Greeks, etc to set up a pattern that would make the New Coveneant familiar.

Take a Bronze sculpture. The artist starts witgh some drawings. These are fashioned into a clay model, usually quite small. Then perhaps a small bronze model is cast. Then the final sculpture is then struck. Each of the previous forms were close and represented the final; but they were leading the artist in the final version, which is the one we see today.

In this sense, the understanding Jesus had of, for example, hell or Gehenna, was influenced by the usage and history of the word itself, but that did not box Him in to His “interpretation” (or maybe better “fulfillment”) of it. He was and did on many occasions go beyond the current sensibility and added something new – He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. So we look at it today, understanding its origins, etc, but see it through the filter of Christ’s finished work on the cross. That makes a big difference.

]]> By: Nicole http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-614 Nicole Thu, 22 May 2008 15:35:05 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-614 Hmmm - there's nothing about "old" that makes something not worth discussing - or we wouldn't be talking about the Bible so much :) If you have something to add, type away :) There's this thing in the blog-world that says you have to add to a new conversation, or your point is moot, or redundant, or not wanted - I think that's unfortunate.... I don't have as much time now to address things as I did even 5 months ago, but I will try! Hmmm – there’s nothing about “old” that makes something not worth discussing – or we wouldn’t be talking about the Bible so much :) If you have something to add, type away :) There’s this thing in the blog-world that says you have to add to a new conversation, or your point is moot, or redundant, or not wanted – I think that’s unfortunate….
I don’t have as much time now to address things as I did even 5 months ago, but I will try!

]]> By: Justin http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-613 Justin Thu, 22 May 2008 14:45:16 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-613 Nicole, You were right, a great conversation. I see it is old, and will not add to it, but just got around to reading it all today! thanks for the link! justin Nicole,
You were right,
a great conversation. I see it is old, and will not add to it, but just got around to reading it all today! thanks for the link!
justin

]]> By: Gehenna « A Mending Shift http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-223 Gehenna « A Mending Shift Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:23:23 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-223 [...] As a side note, to help provide some context for the comments on this post (the comments seem to hit-the-ground-running), Nicole began a discussion on her blog which spilled over to this post: Daughter of Zion, Question of the Day  [...] [...] As a side note, to help provide some context for the comments on this post (the comments seem to hit-the-ground-running), Nicole began a discussion on her blog which spilled over to this post: Daughter of Zion, Question of the Day  [...]

]]> By: susan http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-219 susan Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:42:22 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-219 i think we are mixed up in our concept of 'heavenly minded'. To some it must mean 'to have the mindset of Jesus' and to others it must mean ' to escape from real life'. these debates are often troubled by miscommunication of terms, are they not? :) ~su i think we are mixed up in our concept of ‘heavenly minded’. To some it must mean ‘to have the mindset of Jesus’ and to others it must mean ‘ to escape from real life’. these debates are often troubled by miscommunication of terms, are they not? :)

~su

]]> By: Nicole http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-216 Nicole Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:16 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-216 A thought for Matthew from Ravenhill: "Someone now warns us lest we become so heavenly minded that we are of no earthly use. Brother, this generation of believers is not, by and large, suffering from such a complex! The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use." A thought for Matthew from Ravenhill:

“Someone now warns us lest we become so heavenly minded that we are of no earthly use. Brother, this generation of believers is not, by and large, suffering from such a complex! The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.”

]]> By: Nicole http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-200 Nicole Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:33:41 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-200 Nice dialoging - let me know if you guys want to exchange phone numbers :) Nice dialoging – let me know if you guys want to exchange phone numbers :)

]]> By: susan http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-196 susan Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:23:04 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-196 hebrews 10:26-31 i love how clear the Bible is. hebrews 10:26-31

i love how clear the Bible is.

]]> By: raquelamisto http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-191 raquelamisto Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:10:21 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-191 Susan, That's a great point... that doctrine and relationships are intertwined. I was just telling my sil that it's crazy how the more that I love God, the more that I love my husband, and the better that our marriage gets... It's all backwards from what I think it ought to be ~ to follow the law of honoring my husband first, almost putting that as a priority ahead of loving God. And it FAILS everytime! But when I'm praising God and spending time with Him, my marriage just falls into place with very little effort. Amazing, really. Susan,
That’s a great point… that doctrine and relationships are intertwined. I was just telling my sil that it’s crazy how the more that I love God, the more that I love my husband, and the better that our marriage gets… It’s all backwards from what I think it ought to be ~ to follow the law of honoring my husband first, almost putting that as a priority ahead of loving God. And it FAILS everytime! But when I’m praising God and spending time with Him, my marriage just falls into place with very little effort. Amazing, really.

]]> By: susan http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-190 susan Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:20:21 +0000 http://daughter0fzion.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/question-of-the-day/#comment-190 Matty-Your thoughts on relationship are quite true, we are to be in relationships here on earth and make other's glad in God as we live HERE. However: Quote from #43-Matthew : "Jesus would never have turned away a follower because of a question of doctrine…" perhaps not, i cannot answer for Jesus, but He gave Timothy some commands in regards to this: 1Ti 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. ...which tells me it is imp't to have our doctrinal knowledge in order (as much as we can, being human and all) BECAUSE Jesus wants us to be relational. Thoughts:( please tell me if i'm way off here )-we need to have a balance. a tension between loving our neighbor and having our doctrine in place. the two cannot be separated. if our doctrine is wrong, our relationships will be wrong in some way as well. Matty-Your thoughts on relationship are quite true, we are to be in relationships here on earth and make other’s glad in God as we live HERE. However:

Quote from #43-Matthew : “Jesus would never have turned away a follower because of a question of doctrine…”

perhaps not, i cannot answer for Jesus, but He gave Timothy some commands in regards to this:

1Ti 4:16
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

…which tells me it is imp’t to have our doctrinal knowledge in order (as much as we can, being human and all) BECAUSE Jesus wants us to be relational.

Thoughts:( please tell me if i’m way off here )-we need to have a balance. a tension between loving our neighbor and having our doctrine in place. the two cannot be separated. if our doctrine is wrong, our relationships will be wrong in some way as well.

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